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Do You Think Boris Should Resign.
I don’t , Why?
Because he’s the only one who knows where he’s going, he has no majority in the HoC so he should call a GE now, we couldn’t be in a worse position than we are now, let Corbyn put his money where his mouth is, I’m not suggesting he’ll win a GE because the whole thing is a mess, everyone is sick of the last 3 .3 years, we need to get leadership like never before in our once very proud country
Because he’s the only one who knows where he’s going, he has no majority in the HoC so he should call a GE now, we couldn’t be in a worse position than we are now, let Corbyn put his money where his mouth is, I’m not suggesting he’ll win a GE because the whole thing is a mess, everyone is sick of the last 3 .3 years, we need to get leadership like never before in our once very proud country
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Not in the slightest. He's trying to force through our democratic decision against a tide of folk who treat democracy and the public with disdain, and who will use every trap, loophole, and trick they can find to thwart the nation. Boris deserves a medal for what he has tried and put up with, and should only resign if there is something to gain from it. Presently...
10:10 Wed 25th Sep 2019
// Get us out of the EU. Right out. Now. //
It's not within Johnson's power to do that; nor is it even remotely sensible without some sort of idea of where you are going afterwards; and, for that matter, it is a total fallacy to act as if leaving the EU, No Deal or otherwise, in any sense resolves this.
It's not within Johnson's power to do that; nor is it even remotely sensible without some sort of idea of where you are going afterwards; and, for that matter, it is a total fallacy to act as if leaving the EU, No Deal or otherwise, in any sense resolves this.
jim: "there is an easy way to thwart brexit...." - indeed but thwarting brexit is not enough they need to be able to blame the brexiteers for it so yes they could cancel A50 but they'd get massacred so they have to do it without appearing to do it, that's the game. if they can't stop it entirely they'll in the end settle for Brino.
No no and thrice no!
I'm not a Tory or Boris supporter but he was elected as leader of the Conservatives, therefore given the job as PM, he was badly advised on this one, even though I don't believe the courts should interfere with parliament prcoceedings.
Corbyn and the Labour party know that they're on for a hiding at the next GE, they do not realise the anger of millions of people over their change of stance over Brexit.
Lets hope that the PM gets us out of the EU on 31st October, deal or no deal!
I'm not a Tory or Boris supporter but he was elected as leader of the Conservatives, therefore given the job as PM, he was badly advised on this one, even though I don't believe the courts should interfere with parliament prcoceedings.
Corbyn and the Labour party know that they're on for a hiding at the next GE, they do not realise the anger of millions of people over their change of stance over Brexit.
Lets hope that the PM gets us out of the EU on 31st October, deal or no deal!
"it would end the economic and political uncertainty"
Only up to a point. The rejection of the public's decision would have momentous repercussions for parliament and voter trust for umpteen decades. Plus the issue would go away. There'd be many more MPs voted in, in future governments and it's almost inconceivable that parliament wouldn't end up kicking it off again.
"The problem is that you, that OG, that other Brexit supporters have decided that "No Deal" and "Brexit" are synonymous."
"Are", yes, but not "should be". It's clear that the only reason most folk who wish to leave will accept no-deal is that it's obvious the EU is never going to agree nor suggest any acceptable deal; which leaves us no other choice. That is the important bit, that some like to ignore or deny; and so it bears repeating, to leave we now, we have no other choice. Given that, that is situation we now find ourselves in, no-deal has become precisely the same as Brexit. And one can blame the EU and the dissenters here in the UK for that.
Only up to a point. The rejection of the public's decision would have momentous repercussions for parliament and voter trust for umpteen decades. Plus the issue would go away. There'd be many more MPs voted in, in future governments and it's almost inconceivable that parliament wouldn't end up kicking it off again.
"The problem is that you, that OG, that other Brexit supporters have decided that "No Deal" and "Brexit" are synonymous."
"Are", yes, but not "should be". It's clear that the only reason most folk who wish to leave will accept no-deal is that it's obvious the EU is never going to agree nor suggest any acceptable deal; which leaves us no other choice. That is the important bit, that some like to ignore or deny; and so it bears repeating, to leave we now, we have no other choice. Given that, that is situation we now find ourselves in, no-deal has become precisely the same as Brexit. And one can blame the EU and the dissenters here in the UK for that.
// he’s the only one who knows where he’s going //
No he doesn’t. He thinks he will still be Prime Minister next year, but he will be a back bencher again.
// he has no majority in the HoC so he should call a GE now //
He does nothave the authorityto call a General Election due to the Fixed Term Parliament Act which the Conservatives introduced.
// we couldn’t be in a worse position than we are now //
Yes we could. We could be out of the EU without a deal, and bumbling Boris trying to make Trade Deals.
// Corbyn put his money where his mouth is//
Corbyn said he doesn’t think the timing is right for a GE. It would be a complete waste of valuable time be be electioneering before 31st Oct. How could the EU agree a deal with Johnson, if he were to lose an election anytime.
// we need to get leadership like never before in our once very proud country //
Agreed, the current leadership is abysmal. But the voting public keep being divided, delivering hung Parliaments,Governments with small majorities and close EU Referendum results.
We can only get a strong Government when the public vote for one. You cannot get a strong Governments when ALL the parties are lacklustre.
No he doesn’t. He thinks he will still be Prime Minister next year, but he will be a back bencher again.
// he has no majority in the HoC so he should call a GE now //
He does nothave the authorityto call a General Election due to the Fixed Term Parliament Act which the Conservatives introduced.
// we couldn’t be in a worse position than we are now //
Yes we could. We could be out of the EU without a deal, and bumbling Boris trying to make Trade Deals.
// Corbyn put his money where his mouth is//
Corbyn said he doesn’t think the timing is right for a GE. It would be a complete waste of valuable time be be electioneering before 31st Oct. How could the EU agree a deal with Johnson, if he were to lose an election anytime.
// we need to get leadership like never before in our once very proud country //
Agreed, the current leadership is abysmal. But the voting public keep being divided, delivering hung Parliaments,Governments with small majorities and close EU Referendum results.
We can only get a strong Government when the public vote for one. You cannot get a strong Governments when ALL the parties are lacklustre.
Gromit: "No he doesn’t. He thinks he will still be Prime Minister next year, but he will be a back bencher again." - your predicted path to this state of affairs....?
"He does nothave the authorityto call a General Election due to the Fixed Term Parliament Act which the Conservatives introduced." - Oh dear gromit, half the picture as usual. The FTPA was enacted by the Cnservative/Lib nondem coalition, this was one of the things that Cameron bought the Lib Nondems with.
"Yes we could. We could be out of the EU without a deal, and bumbling Boris trying to make Trade Deals." - such little faith you have in our nation gromit, you'd be better of over the channel.
"Corbyn said he doesn’t think the timing is right for a GE. " - you bet he doesn't, he know he'd get hammered, promising free tuition to the students won't wash this time.
"Agreed, the current leadership is abysmal. But the voting public keep being divided, delivering hung Parliaments,Governments with small majorities and close EU Referendum results.
We can only get a strong Government when the public vote for one. You cannot get a strong Governments when ALL the parties are lacklustre. " - and people still think PR is viable!
"He does nothave the authorityto call a General Election due to the Fixed Term Parliament Act which the Conservatives introduced." - Oh dear gromit, half the picture as usual. The FTPA was enacted by the Cnservative/Lib nondem coalition, this was one of the things that Cameron bought the Lib Nondems with.
"Yes we could. We could be out of the EU without a deal, and bumbling Boris trying to make Trade Deals." - such little faith you have in our nation gromit, you'd be better of over the channel.
"Corbyn said he doesn’t think the timing is right for a GE. " - you bet he doesn't, he know he'd get hammered, promising free tuition to the students won't wash this time.
"Agreed, the current leadership is abysmal. But the voting public keep being divided, delivering hung Parliaments,Governments with small majorities and close EU Referendum results.
We can only get a strong Government when the public vote for one. You cannot get a strong Governments when ALL the parties are lacklustre. " - and people still think PR is viable!
I don't say that revoking Article 50 prior to an election/referendum would be wise. But I do say that they very fact it has barely even come up, outside the Lib Dems, is an indication that most MPs are still hoping to find a way to implement the result. But *how* is still a completely valid question to ask, and quite simply there has been no acceptable version offered yet. The only negotiated Deal was rejected, three times, and with good reason -- on both sides; and no deal is equally unacceptable because it is both economically damaging and is anyway no resolution.
Here's what I think (says Jeremy Clarkson)...
Boris shouldn't resign, after all he was led a merry dance...by Jennifer Arcuri. That is where the slippery slope really started!!
The answer,to me,is obvious! He should have another shuffle and make the ultimate sacrifice and include himself! He should become, wait for it... Drum roll over, Brexit Secretary!! Only then can he negotiate properly. Why have a dog when he can bark himself. Ha! Yes!
So, he should gently call in Stephen Barclay and say 'Stephen, chum, thanks for your efforts but I can't bank on you to seal the deal!!
(Sorry folks, I've read too much of Catch 22)
Too many square pegs in round holes.Extra words of advice to Jacob R-M, don't take any criticism you might get lying down..
Bobbi, I believe I have unlocked the key to the problem, having consulted with the AG, no not meself but the Attorney General and he is never wrong...
Boris shouldn't resign, after all he was led a merry dance...by Jennifer Arcuri. That is where the slippery slope really started!!
The answer,to me,is obvious! He should have another shuffle and make the ultimate sacrifice and include himself! He should become, wait for it... Drum roll over, Brexit Secretary!! Only then can he negotiate properly. Why have a dog when he can bark himself. Ha! Yes!
So, he should gently call in Stephen Barclay and say 'Stephen, chum, thanks for your efforts but I can't bank on you to seal the deal!!
(Sorry folks, I've read too much of Catch 22)
Too many square pegs in round holes.Extra words of advice to Jacob R-M, don't take any criticism you might get lying down..
Bobbi, I believe I have unlocked the key to the problem, having consulted with the AG, no not meself but the Attorney General and he is never wrong...
