10cs: "You keep banging on about that, Tora." - what? Gully gutloessnes? well yes because lefties like gulliver and you to be fair spoutr their Balearics but have no courage to back their own view when challenged.
"The grass roots of the Labour Party that you are talking about were killed off when Thatcher destroyed the industrial base of this country," - TGL did not destroy the industrial base, your communist union buddies did that, they created the conditions that made her necessary. "from which it has never recovered." - we are flying compared to where we would have been if Red Robbo and co still had their nads.
"Labour just needs to connect with ordinary people."
- The thing is "ordinary people" saw through them wheh they put TGL in Office, they will never again elect real Labour.
"It may well be that voters in this country take a look at what's on offer on both sides and decide that both are just a bag of manure. " - Quite possibly but I think they'll conclude, as they have since 1974 that one side is less "manure" than the other.